The Evolution of the Chakram, by Doug WP

Hello Xenites!

These past days of holidays have served for many things, among other things to enjoy great talks with the Xena community on Facebook. A couple of days ago, Doug WP, an amazing Xenite with many skills, posted a very thoughtful study about the chakram on the group Xenites.

Doug doesn't have a blog of his own (yet!) to share the info, so I was more than happy to oblige and share it here.

Here I leave you with his awesome analysis and pics. Enjoy!

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Guys, taking part in some Xena groups I noticed there are many people who aren't 100% familiarized with her most notorious weapon, the Chakram. I’m not taking into account the Indian history behind it, but the one from the show. I thought I’d make some sort of documentary on it here, however as I don’t have a blog of my own and it’s still not possible to upload many pictures in a single post, I will number the information in 7 parts as replied messages in my own post, so follow the numbers to make sure you don’t skip any item and read it thoroughly ok? (that much is solved here)

Here we go: I will focus only on the classic chakram, the one with golden details engraved on it. I’ve seen people question whether there had been 2 different chakrams with those ‘squared’ and ‘jagged’ drawings. And the answer is NO! it’s just one chakram with different pattern sides. There are nine square-shaped details on the “front” which resembles something like this _\¨○¨/_ and on the “back” more nine jagged ones like this _>¨○¨>_

> First Part: When Xena was first introduced on Hercules, her chakram was a disgrace to its race lol Whoever made it at the time didn't have the least notion of symmetry. Also, her chakram didn’t have those shiny inlays (paua shells – a New Zealand wonder!) in the centre of each golden drawing.

(1) Photomontage by DougWP.

(By the way, did you know the whole of Xena outfit accessories is composed of a total of 34 paua shells?)

>> NOTE: For the curious, in the comments Doug (following up an observation by fellow Xenite Anthony De Bellis) clarified where we find those 34 paui: 18 in the chakram (9 on each side), 7 in the sword, 3 in the scabbard, and 6 shells in the whip (3 on each side).

> Second Part: What some people don’t know is that there was a wardrobe full of chakrams made from many different materials (see next picture) and it was used according to the necessity of a particular scene.

For example: whenever Lucy (or the stunt doubles) had to fight, run, gallop or throw the chakram, they used wood, foam or rubber ones due to its lightness and flexibility. Most of scenes where the camera is not focused on the chakram (distance shots or long dialogues) she'd carry a plastic rubber or a resin chakram as it can glow like metal but is very light as well, and leave metal ones only for close-ups.

(2) Photomontage by DougWP.

> Third Part: (More photos, complimenting point 2)

(3) Photomontage by DougWP.

> Fourth Part: When Xena was granted with her own series, Xena Warrior Princess, so was the chakram with the paua shells (although the golden details still lacked proportions). They only decided to take its details seriously from the 3rd season on.

(4) Photomontage by Doug WP.

> Fifth Part: Randomly throughout season 2 - and season 3 at times as well - you can still spot these asymmetric chakrams.

Now compare this: Season 2. Same shot (the aired scene and the rehearsal one). For the first pic they opted for metal (item 2), however the chakram is from 1st season, that is, non-geometric shapes on the golden details with paua shells. Second pic is a rubber chakram (item 2) with symmetric angles on the golden details without paua shells – only the fitting holes - since it wouldn’t stick due to all the throwing).

(5) Photomontage by DougWP.

> Sixth Part: To wrap it up, the foam chakram (item 2) was one of the most used on set for Lucy’s own comfort, too bad it wasn’t always the best option on screen (just re-watch 'Prometheus' and you’ll understand what I am talking about… I can’t bear to see that crooked-looking thing hanging to her side and I still can’t believe they got away with it), but nothing, n.o.t.h.i.n.g, compares to what happened in this scene:

(6) Photomontage by DougWP.

> Seventh Part: If this subject is something that interests you, I strongly recommend you check out Vicente Martínez’s blog (That's me :p) - It’s bulging with info in a more in-depth approach!!

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Loved this! But I mentioned Doug's many skills, didn't I? It turns he's (obviously) a chakram lover, and he made himself his own FUNCTIONING chakram when he was only 17!

Photo by DougWP.

He's very critical about the details (and say that he'd make it differently now), but I say it's mind-blowing that he made it himself. It's all kinds of cool - above all because he gets to throw it around like this:

This is all! A heartfelt thank you for your excellent research from here, Doug!

Cheers!

Unexpected info from Todd Coyle

Hello everybody!

I've been awfully quiet for the past weeks, my deepest apologies. My job is literally overwhelming me as of late, and it leaves me no time at all for anything else. I expect things will change soon, but in the meantime I'm happily surprised there's an increasing interest in the blog. I've noticed the visits have nothing but grown in my absence, which fills me with joy. Thank you all for your interest and daily visits!

Now, as a little reward for your patience, let me tell you Todd Coyle himself (owner of Todd's Costumes and creator of MANY of the Xena replicas seen here) recently wrote me to shed some light on his chakram replicas. He's been of great help, so many many thanks Mr. Coyle!

I've added all his notes in my original entry, but differently colored so they're easy to spot. I invite you to visit it and enjoy all the firsthand information that Mr. Coyle has so selflessly shared.

Here's the link:
http://xenaproptreasures.blogspot.com.es/2014/02/comparisons-original-chakram-iii-of-iv.html

Feel free to share your impressions, it's always a big pleasure to hear back from fellow fans.

Cheers, until we "talk" again!

An authentic Xena crew chakram!

How's Sunday going?

Fantastic Xenite Lara Vezzani aka Kimba has recently gotten herself an original "crew chakram" prop replica, directly from New Zealand. It's a truly gorgeous piece, and she has been very kind to send me some pictures of it so I can share them with all of you.

The jagged side, with the saw-like pattern.
Photo by Lara Vezzani (aka Kimba).

The crew chakrams are very very rare pieces, offered only to the crew member of the series. Like the Creation Ent replicas, they were made by the prop masters of the show, but as you can see these show a even higher level of accuracy and care for the details. Mind-blowing!

The opposite side, with the squared pattern.
Photo by Lara Vezzani (aka Kimba).

Hers is pristine and of course came directly from a crew member in NZ. It has gorgeous paua shells, and one even looks like a yin yang shape.

Said Y&Y paua shell.
Photo by Lara Vezzani (aka Kimba).

If you like the photos make sure to thank Lara by "liking" her book page on Facebook, the Kaia Saga. I'm sure she'll appreciate that. She's not only a great Xenite, she's also an awesome writer.

Here's the link: https://www.facebook.com/kaiasaga?fref=ts

Have a great weekend guys!

Comparisons: The Original Chakram (IV of IV)

Here it is, at last!

This has been a calvary. Among my job (unstable to say the least), a roller coaster of personal life (no kidding) and my ever-growing collection (I'll post about it soon!) I've had literally NO TIME to properly finish and wrap up this entry for months. My apologies, I know some of you have been waiting for it. Thank you all for your patience! But here it is, finally!

This last entry is about the only two original chakram replicas left: the Daryl Kyle's replica commissioned by Davis Panzer, and the RomansEmpire eBay replica. This ends the chronological review of the original chakram reproductions I've found closer to the original.

As always, you can check my previous entries on this topic here:

- Part I of IV: about the original chakram prop and the Icons replica.
- Part II of IV: about the Creation Ent replica, in all its versions.
- Part III of IV: about the Todd's Costumes replica, the Marto 10th Anniversary Gold Edition replica, and the Silver Screen replica.

Special thanks to both Roman and Daryl Kyle for the photographies and information on their pieces. Many thanks to Beatlesrock for his extra info and photos on the Daryl Kyle's piece. Finally, thanks to spirit_wolf_71 for even more photos of Daryl's chakram.

- THE DARYL KYLE'S REPLICA

Daryl Kyle's company: Texas Steel Prop Replicas.

In my last post I talked about both Todd Coyle and Davis-Panzer. Well, this is a continuation of sorts of that story.

In March 2012, after granting the license and rights to produce the Kurgan helmet (a prop from the Highlander franchise) to Daryl Kyle and his company Texas Steel Prop Replicas, the big boss at Davis-Panzer, Peter Davis, approached Daryl about making an "ultimate Xena chakram". It seems Mr. Davis had in mind to build a new chakram reproduction like none other. I suppose they signed a contract, and from one day to another Daryl started manufacturing products for the licensee of Xena merchandising.

Why? I have my suspicions. Back then Todd Coyle wasn't officially producing Xena replicas with Davis-Panzer anymore. He only kept selling a few things on his site (namely Xena's scabbard and Gabrielle's battle staff, plus the full costumes of Xena, Gabrielle and Callisto), but his official runs of chakrams were long gone and sold out. He was indeed selling his freshly-made Silver Screen replicas through legendaryheroes.com, but given their lesser quality I can only assume they were not reaching the cyphers some Creation or Todd's replicas were easily making on eBay.

I have the theory Mr. Davis wanted something of high quality again, something that could bring new blood and life to the world of Xena replicas -and sell for first-line prices once again. Thus why he sought Daryl Kyle to make a brand new deluxe edition for him.

Following these orders, Daryl made three versions of the chakram: the original version, the Yin Yang version, and the splitting Y&Y version. It's the first of them the one I'm going to talk about.

> Versions of the Daryl Kyle replica: For once this section will be short, because as for today there's only one version of this "ultimate" original chakram replica made by Daryl Kyle.

Both sides of Daryl's chakram replica.
Photos by Daryl Kyle.

Daryl's chakrams are made in a different way than most previous replicas. His are not casted in molten aluminum, but cut on a machine called "multi axis lathe" from a solid block of aluminum (much like the Icons replicas, only those were grounded down sections of a large aluminum tube). This procedure has the advantage of being completely mechanized -obtaining 100% perfect and pristine identical pieces with no casting errors-, but it seems to also be rather expensive.

The chakrams are then hand polished and hand painted, and the paui shells (the only part of this version not made in the USA, but imported from New Zealand) are fitted manually as the last step.

Some process pictures of the making of the pieces.
Photos by Daryl Kyle.

As for the design itself, Daryl says he spent a lot of time getting the right measurements from screen-used props, without consulting other replicas as Icons or Todd's. True, though not all merit is his -I'm positive he had a BIG help from experienced collector Otsillac, who tried to put his expert eye to the service of this new replica. I can definitely see "his hand" behind some of the best details on this version.

The shape and proportions of bolts and squares are almost perfect.
Photos by Daryl Kyle.

Daryl has recently commented that due to budget issues he'll probably start making chakrams through sand-casting instead of using the lathe. If a new version of his chakram comes out of that, only time will tell.

> Accuracy level: Daryl is not Xena's biggest fan (no offense intended). He's a perfectionist, yes, but making the "ultimate" replica requires more than that, requires true love for the piece that's being made. It requires ADORING the piece as we Xenites do -because our love will make us accept nothing less than perfect. Daryl has that kind of love for Highlander, anyone who know him a little can see that, but not for Xena. Thus why (despite Otsillac's best efforts) his piece is sadly not the most perfect chakram there is. Let's see why.

       1. Size: Correct. As far as I'm aware, this replica has the perfect size

       ..............................................................................….......... Score: 1/1

       2. Material (shine & color): Incorrect. It has a mirror-like finish (a) 

       and the yellow/golden hue (b) is too pale and dull.

       ............................................................................................ Score: 0/1

       3. Saw-like pattern: Incorrect. Bolts shape is correct -it's based in

       the last S5 Creation model-, contour lines (c) are too thin and shallow.

       ......................................................................................... Score: 0,5/1

       4. Squared pattern: Incorrect. Contour lines (c) are too thin as well. 

       ......................................................................................... Score: 0,5/1

       5. Blade edge: Correct. The replica has a thin blade edge.

       ............................................................................................ Score: 1/1

       _____________________________________________TOTAL: 3/5

The score 3/5 is not bad at all, above all compared with other versions reviewed here, but an "ultimate" version should be nothing less than 5/5. Or even more! And that's not the case.

Which is the main problem of this replica? It's something difficult to measure, because more than an isolated thing it's an addition of little details. In three words: it's too perfect. It lacks the "organic feel" the original prop had, those little details that made it look like a real (an ancient) weapon. This chakram doesn't look real, it looks decorative. Which is totally ok for many people, and I respect that, but for me that is something I just can't disregard.

The one thing that first catches my eye are the contour lines. Way too thin and not deep enough. They are not visible, and are too subtle. But that's just the tip of the iceberg -there are other small details that seem a bit off for the experienced eye. A pity, because as I mentioned before some other details are great (I'm pretty sure those perfect bolts are thanks to Otsillac's help).

> Additional features: In words of Daryl himself: "I designed a relative easy stand, as to not distract from the actual charkams, no fancy boxes or stuff like that. Each one is numbered and a COA comes with it… they are also offering a picture booklet of the design and process." 

An extra shot of Daryl Kyle's chakram replica.
Photo by All_hallows_eve.

I've never seen one of these chakrams in the flesh, so I've never seen the stand or the booklet myself. I suppose the chakram comes with a couple of hooks, or else a very simple table stand. About the booklet, I know it illustrates the creation process, so I guess it must contain some kind of illustrations of photographies that document the "making of" of the replica.

If someone has pictures or information of them and would be kind enough to share them I'll promptly edit this part.

> Certificates: As you can read in the previous paragraphs, these replicas are/were? numbered and come with a COA. I say "were" because it seems they are sold out. They were available for sale in the site of Legendary Heroes for more than a year (with a very high asking price, around $1,000!), but now they are no longer there.

Anyhow, I ignore the number of chakrams that were produced, because neither Daryl Kyle nor Davis-Panzer have specified how many chakrams the license cover. As you can see in this pic, the COA doesn't say a thing about that either, as it only reflects the number of the piece itself.

Daryl's chakram come with a fancy COA, don't you think?
Photo by All_hallows_eve.

There's one last thing worth mentioning. Note that the COA says "A screen-used chakram was provided to us to ensure design accuracy, allowing for the same look and feel as the original prop; giving you the the prop look, feel and finish!" Daryl has confirmed Mr. Davis got someone to lend a screen-used chakram for the process, but it seems the lending was very brief.

>> EDIT: Fellow collector Beatlesrock has written me to note that only a few of Daryl's chakrams came with the booklet and the COA, and that many got sold as is, unnumbered and without any extra feature or certificate. He says five or six passed through his hands, and all he received was this COA from Davis/Panzer, different to the one I mention above.

This is the COA Beatlesrock received.
Photo by Beatlesrock.

He also notes that all the chakrams he got were "marred by the mistake of spidery thin lines going straight around the circle". He has sent these additional couple of photos to illustrate what he means:

If you look closely, you'll see the metallic parts in the blade have
very thin scratches. That's what he means with spidery lines.
Photos by Beatlesrock.

> Conclusion: As always, I'm sure there's much to love about this chakram replica, as much as I am it is not for me. However, this chakram has an advantage: it's a recent reproduction. That leaves me/us with the option of hope. Who knows? Maybe in his next take Daryl will improve some of this details and make a more accurate version.

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Let's now go for the last chakram replica, the one sold (and still for sale) by RomansEmpire on eBay.

- THE ROMANS EMPIRE EBAY REPLICA

eBay's logo. Here you can fin RomansEmpire. 

I don't have much information about Roman himself. He seems to be established in El Paso, Texas, and as far as I know he's a professional prop and replica maker, specializing above all Star Wars lightsabers. I've talked with him a couple of times, and he seems to be a very nice guy.

About how he ended up making chakrams and other Xena stuff (like Gabrielle's sais), I have no clue. I think he genuinely likes the series, though I feel Star Wars surprises that love by much :) Anyhow, whether it was due to a commission or to a personal desire, the facts are he's been selling chakrams through eBay for several year now. In fact, when no many other chakrams were available, his were the best "to go" option for many fans who wanted to star a collection, myself included.

Roman's logo, from his recently reopened site, romanprops.com

Some say Roman has "killed" the market with his pieces, but arguably he's kept the market alive. I'm still surprised about the incredible amount of people who purchase his chakrams every month, showing and proving that the Xena spirit is still out there. Even if they don't go to cons, are not involved in any Xena community, or even know/care about props or other replicas, many MANY people remember Xena and crave to have a chakram of their own. And Roman gives them the possibility. And that is good.

> Versions of the Daryl Kyle replica: Much like Daryl Kyle's chakram, there's only one version of Roman's replica, at least that I know.

Both sides of Roman's chakram replica.
Photos by RomansEmpire.

About the way it's made, Roman's own descriptive from the eBay listing is very illustrative: "Chakram comes with a high mirror-like polish, and is detailed to perfection with genuine Paua Shell Inlays and perfect black accent lines surrounding the gold finished surfaces. This is a high end CNC machined replica with a flawless metal body and blade. The entire chakram was machined from a solid piece of aircraft grade aluminum. It’s quite hefty and very well balanced. It measures 9.5 inches in diameter with the center of the ring being a 1/2 inch thick and tapering to approximately 1/16 of an inch at the outer most edge (not sharp). An all around gorgeous prop to behold and treasure". A CNC machine means this is also a mechanized piece, instead of a casted piece (with all that it means).

Photos by RomansEmpire.

It's design is a funny thing. It measures EXACTLY like Todd's replica, but doesn't present the same disposition of the bolts in the saw-like pattern. No, if you look at it closely you'll see the golden bolts here are a bit bulky, which results in the "negative" bolts or empty spaces being smaller. We've seen that before, do you remember? In the Todd's 10th Anniversary Gold Edition.

Yes, my theory is that Roman based his replica in the Todd's Gold reproduction. 95% of the details match, even the characteristic way in which the angles of the bolts differ from the original prop. Too many details are identical to be just a coincidence. Even the mirror-like look&feel of the blade.

Here you can compare both pieces side to side. Designs are almost the same.
Photos by Beatlesrock and RomansEmpire.

According to this you can all imagine how the rating will go, but let's see.

> Accuracy level: Being very similar to it, the score of the RomansEmpire replica is surely going to be fairly similar to the punctuation of the Todd's Gold replica (which let's remember was 2,5/5).

       1. Size: Incorrect. Replica is noticeably smaller than the original prop.

       ......................................................................................... Score: 0,5/1

       2. Material (shine & color): Incorrect. It presents mirror-like finish (b). 

       Plus, the silvery parts are not metal, but are painted silver.

       ............................................................................................ Score: 0/1

       3. Saw-like pattern: Incorrect. Contour lines are ok (not as thick as in 

       the Marto replica), but bolts and negative bolts are off (a).

       ......................................................................................... Score: 0,5/1

       4. Squared pattern: Correct. All elements have the right proportions.

       ............................................................................................ Score: 1/1

       5. Blade edge: Correct. The replica has a thin blade edge.

       ............................................................................................ Score: 1/1

       ______________________________________________TOTAL: 3/5

You see, the score of this reproduction is a bit higher than the Todd's 10th Anniversary replica, mainly for two reasons: the gold paint here is not gold-plated nor reflective, and the contour lines are a bit less thick (just enough to look harmonic with the overall look of the piece). Overall, even though the rating is not very high compared with other top-quality chakram reproductions (like the ones from Creation Ent), I think it serves its purpose, and represents well enough the chakram for those who want a piece of these characteristics.

I'm fond of Roman's replica, because it was one of my first replicas.

However, I'd like clarify a couple of things. Daryl Kyle's replica also scores 3/5, but I see it as a bit superior than this one. For me, capital aspects like size or bolt-shape are better achieved in that replica, while in this one are further from the "ideal chakram" we've been seeking.

I think Daryl and Roman themselves are very similar, actually. Both are perfectionists and highly talented in their own fields, but neither of them is nuts about Xena. And that can be perceived in their Xena replicas, because they feel like...well, replicas. Shiny nice metallic things, but not chakrams.

> Additional features & Certificates: Roman's replica doesn't include any additional feature nor COA, except for a paper with care and cleaning instructions. However, he has developed a black methacrylate wall-mounts and metal name plaques that can be purchased apart.

Roman's black wall-mounts work for both chakram models.
Photo by RomansEmpire.

Sometimes, though, he makes combo listings and includes the wall-mount for free when you purchase one of his chakrams. Those are usually very good deals if you're after both chakram and mount :)

> Conclusion: Roman's replica was one of my very first Xena replicas. I'm fond of it, as it brings me good memories. However, I was always aware of its limitations, and went for a Creation Ent replica as soon as I had the chance. That's just me, of course. As I said above, this chakram is not meant for the accuracy nerds like me, but for all those numerous fans that want a chakram in their lives. Still, Roman, if you're reading this and want to make it more accurate, know that won't hurt anybody! ;)

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The chakram comparisons are over! But stay tuned for more entries and more info on Xena props and replicas!

SOON: Comparisons: The Yin Yang Chakram

Note: All photomontages by me. Original pics by All_hallows_eve, Beatlesrock, Daryl Kyle, RomansEmpire and spirit_wolf_71. 

Comparisons: The Original Chakram (III of IV)

Hey everybody!

After a considerable wait and quite a few drawbacks, it's finally time for the third part of four of the Original Chakram comparisons. You can check the two previous entries here (Part I of IV) and here (Part II of IV).

Today I'll be reviewing one of the best known chakram reproductions among fans, the famous Todd's Costumes replica.

Special thanks to Otsillac and KellyXena for all the info about the early Todd's replica. Many thanks to Beatlesrock as well, for his generosity providing info and photos of the 10th Anniversary Gold edition, and to Epiphane David for his tips on the Silver Screen piece.

>> NOTE: I've edited and rewritten the whole entry with the invaluable insights and notes from Mr. Todd Coyle himself, who's been amazingly kind to fill in the gaps and clarify several points of the creation process behind his pieces. Of course, a heartfelt thanks to Mr. Coyle too from here!

- THE TODD'S COSTUMES REPLICA

Todd's Costumes web logo.

Like I did before, let's start with a bit of history.

Todd's Costumes started with one man: Todd Coyle.

Todd Coyle is a replica maker from Florida based in southern California. He started his own company back in 1997 when, as his own site says, "he decided to sell copies of a Xena costume that he had created for a costume contest". His first products were all Xena related (both chakrams, Gabrielle's staff and sais, parts of Xena's armor...) and came to be well-known and very appreciated due to their nice quality, cheaper prices and lower shipping rates (they were made in the USA, after all).

Mr. Coyle (or simply Todd, as most people know him) made and sold his creations to fans for a while, without an official license, until television and film producers William Norton Panzer and Peter Davis (founders of the company Davis-Panzer Productions Inc., and producers of several notorious films and TV series like the Highlander franchise) acquired the rights for Xena memorabilia and contacted him to license his work and make official numbered Xena replicas. A great opportunity he couldn't miss.

Davis-Panzer Productions logo.

It seems even with the Icons and Creation reproductions available (which truth to be told were mostly sold out by then) there was still a ready market for more Xena replicas. We Xenites are insatiable :) Of course, one of the first lines to be built was a limited edition of 1000 original chakrams. Those (among Todd's earlier pre-licensed replicas and some other later models based on Todd's design) are the chakrams I'm going to review today.

> Versions of the Todd's Costumes replica: Once again, it turns there are several versions of this replica to take into account. Kind of. This case might be more complicated than the previous ones, because Todd's replica has been copied and versioned (both officially and unofficially) more times than any other chakram reproduction.

Let's review all those versions in chronological order.

1.- The Early Pre-Licensed Replica

Both sides of a Todd's pre-licensed replica.
Photos by Otsillac.

As stated before, the first chakram reproduction Todd made was developed during his unlicensed years. These models were done and sold before he achieved the full of his popularity, and because of that few people are aware of their existence.

I gather Todd molded this first design out of mere fan-observation of the series. Back in the day it wasn't easy to get screen-caps or high resolution images of TV shows, and besides, the screen quality of the first seasons wasn't the best. Therefore this first reproduction came out being quite imperfect, both in size (a reasonable mistake - have you ever tried to calculate the exact measures of something with the only reference of the hands of a person? Trust me, titanic deed) and in shape (the black outlines are too thick and the patterns are unbalanced respect the voids around them - the golden areas are distorted, too "short", while the silvery areas look noticeably too wide in comparison).

As a result, this early design was tossed away over time. I guess once Todd got better graphic material to use as a source he decided to update his mold, but only he knows how many he made. What I'm certain of is this: the pre-licensed Todd replica is a rarity some collectors like to treasure.

>> EDIT 1: About this first model, Mr. Todd adds very interesting information on the process he used to craft the pieces: "My original chakrams were done probably 13-14 years ago in Florida from a master made by hand from acrylic plastic, I believe. They were sand cast from aluminum and polished and finished by me. We drilled the insets for the shells with a hand drill". 

Todd also sort of confirmed the theory mentioned above: back in the day he worked with very early low-quality reference images, thus why the accuracy of this first attempt is lower than in his later pieces.

>> NEW: Xenite collector Manon aka Ladystark mentions that in this version, the outer circle is 10 1/8 inches large, the inner is a little more than 7 1/4, and the blade width is 1 3/8 inches.

As a side note, a warning. It's been three times already that I've seen some scammers trying to pass one of these as original props. They usually ask thousand of dollars for them, and some have even forged fake documents and false COAs to endorse their farce. Be wary.

2.- Second Pre-Licensed Mold

I'm positive Todd changed his mold before he started producing work with Davis-Panzer, so not all of his pre-licensed chakrams were like the above mentioned. He developed a second mold that solved some of the problems of his first design, but one must think he wasn't too satisfied with it, because he changed it once again for his official run.

As I don't have references on this model I will not be properly reviewing it. So please, if you believe your chakram is one of these, I'd appreciate any photo or additional info you can share with me.

>> EDIT 2: I still don't have any pictures of these pieces, but Mr. Coyle confirms the existence of this second and short-lived mold. He says: "When that (first) pattern disintegrated, I think I patched up the old one to make a new one. I was working from an Icons chakram, which was even smaller than mine. I’ve done them anywhere from 9 ¼” to 9 3/4” diameter". 

So, the inception of the second mold was due to the degradation of his original mold, which is something very usual in this kind of procedures. All molds tend to worn off with every new piece produced, faster or slower depending on the material poured on them. Let's remember we're talking about a process involving molten metal, which I'm sure is fairly aggressive. After a time most molds show signs of erosion and have to be inevitably replaced or remade, which is what happened here.

3.- First Official Run

Both sides of a Todd's Costumes official replica.
Photos by Beatlesrock.

Todd's third and improved design is mostly associated with his official run for Davis-Panzer, that sold from the xenacatalog.com platform under the banner of Official Xena Merchandise. These chakrams were distributed by the company Davis-Anderson Merchandising, the merchandise branch Davis-Panzer had back in the day.

The popular promotion image that advertised
these chakrams in the Xena catalog. 

The license for this line covered 1000 units, which makes this run the most abundant replica chakrams in the market by far (given Icons only reached 600 and Creation only made 500). Nonetheless, bigger numbers didn't mean lesser prices: these brand-new chakrams were commercialized for a considerably higher price than Todd's unlicensed pieces. It seems COAs and limited editions do have a cost after all.

This design presents more refined lines than it's predecessor, though it's not without particularities. Some details on the saw-like pattern are still off, and the chakram remains too small compared to real props (it's still over 9 inches instead of 10). The side with the squared pattern has a stamp with the Xena logo and a phrase that reads as follows: "XENA WP ™& © STUDIOS USA - © Davis-Anderson Merchandising Corp".

A closer look to the blade stamp.
Photo by Jmarchant4.

>> EDIT 3: More additional info courtesy of Mr. Coyle, this time regarding his best-known signature chakram replica: "When I moved to California in 2002, I made a new pattern (by hand) but with finer grooves and truer shape. I used that one for a long time. [...] When I hooked up with DP I continued to use my old pattern since it was still going strong."

What conclusions are to be made here? For one, this particular mold was also used BEFORE Todd's chakrams were licensed by Davis-Panzer / Davis Merchandise. Good to know. Additionally, Mr. Coyle also give us great firsthand insight of the process used to produce our beloved replicas, and the challenges that their creators had (and still have) to face.

"There have always been problems with the sand cast aluminum – air bubbles and debris in the aluminum. There were none without flaws – it was always a judgment call. Aluminum is also very soft, and it’s a scratch magnet. We treated them like Ming vases, but no matter how careful we were, they always picked up marks. [...] (with Davis Panzer) I used the same casting foundry, and found a metal polishers down in LA to do the grinding/sanding/polishing. We did the painting and shells".

4.- 10th Anniversary Gold Edition

Both sides of a Marto Gold Edition replica.
Photos by Beatlesrock.

It would seem that after selling off the whole line of Todd's official replicas the thing would be over, but not at all.

It's the year 2005, and Davis-Panzer, in league with the company Marto of Toledo (master swordsmiths from Spain) decided to produce a new line of Xena replicas to commemorate the 10th Anniversary of the series. To be exact, heavy "Gold" deluxe reproductions plated with 24k Gold and engraved with memorable quotes from the series. We have seen a few examples during the Monday eBay Roundups, for example here.

Of course, a version of the original chakram had to be made. And although the chosen design was a variation of Todd's (which I suppose by contract must belong to Davis-Panzer), this time (apparently) they didn't count with his direct collaboration. Either way, the Gold 10th Anniversary chakram is clearly a version of Todd's design, and thus it fits perfectly well here.

>> EDIT 4: Here it turns I was totally mistaken. Mr. Coyle informs me the 10th Anniversary Gold Chakrams were indeed made by Todd's Costumes in the USA, not by Marto of Toledo in Spain. Marto did build other replicas from the 10th Anniversary line (such as Xena's sword, or Xena and Gabrielle's katanas), but not the chakrams. I'm not certain if other pieces like the Breast Dagger or the Callisto sword were made by Marto or not. On the bright side, I was right to link these chakrams to Todd's designs.

The only detail that differs from Todd's standard replica are once again the bolts in the saw-like pattern. If you look at them closely you'll discover they are a bit broader, and this affects at the size of the "negative" bolts that take shape in the silvery metal. These negative bolts (the voids or empty spaces I mentioned earlier) are too small, and don't appear to have the same measure as the golden areas.

Apart from that, this replica is a much more ornamental version. It's very shiny: apart from the patterns being gold plated, the rest of the blade seems to be chromed - which gives it a particular "liquid" aspect. It's also incredibly heavy (I've been told that several times more than a regular Todd's).

>> EDIT 5: Mr. Coyle adds the following: "I made the master by hand for pewter casting. The bodies were cast from pewter (that’s why they weigh a ton) and plated. They’re plated with nickel and gold. All the work was done in LA except the painting and shells – those were done up here". 

The hero quote typical to the commemorative 10th Anniversary run is engraved on the thick flat surface that corresponds with the inner circle of the blade (the opposite to the external edge).

A closeup to the engraved quote.
Photo by Beatlesrock.

The license covered 3500 units (which would make these even more abundant than the regular Todd's chakrams) but I don't think they reached those numbers. In the time I've been a collector I've only ever seen two of these Gold replicas, while I've encountered at least 10 or 15 of the "regular" ones. Whatever the case, the limited edition number can be seen engraved next to the quote on the chakram itself.

Limited edition engraving, also in the inner face of the blade.
Photo by Beatlesrock.

5.- Silver Screen Current Replica

Both sides of a modern Silver Screen replica.

There's yet another version of the chakram that fits with this group: the reproduction made by Silver Screen Replicas.

Of all the reproductions seen here to the moment, this is the only one still available directly from official distributors, namely Legendary Heroes (the current merchandise website of Davis-Panzer, fused with the remnants of the Xena catalog) and Todd's Costumes. The rest sold out and can only be purchased from previous owners.

This replica is odd. All the more, where it comes from is odd. With a few changes, it looks like Todd's, and it even has the same particularities that sets Todd's official run aside. But on the other hand, it looks shinier, rounder (the blade feels convex and curvaceous instead of flat) and made out of different materials. It doesn't present the Official Xena Merchandise logo either. Box is different, and Todd's name is nowhere to be seen.

Is it a copy? Another version of Todd's design?

Mystery is solved after a bit of research. If you go to Google and type "Silver Screen Replicas" you'll quickly find out the company was founded by Todd Coyle himself. Here for example:

"Todd Coyle was the Member of Silver Screen Replicas, LLC."
"The registered agent for the company is Todd M. Coyle. Also known as a statutory or resident agent, the registered agent is responsible for receiving legal notifications regarding court summons, lawsuits, and other legal actions involving the corporate entity."

What does this mean? Well, the way I see it Davis-Panzer and Todd wanted to keep producing chakrams (it's a lucrative business) but without devaluating their previous run together -which has nothing but gained additional value over the years due to its exclusivity and limited numbers. So what did the do? Create a new company without Todd's name, to be able to distribute the new replicas freely. Not a bad strategy, it's a good idea, don't get me wrong. The only issue I have with these chakrams is their quality - or apparent lack of it. It seems this time there was a shorter budget, because these new chakrams seem prone to present many flaws.

Several people has contacted either me or people I trust saying they received these replicas with missing paui shells, scratches, stains, and even fingertips left on the paint.

Here you can see the rounder shape of the blade I mention.

That's not very professional, guys - chakrams are not cheap items, quality should be better. Furthermore, it is also a bit disappointing. More so knowing these replicas come from people who used to make a very high quality work back in the day. Where are your standards? The only good thing I can say of this is about their return policy: if you don't like the chakram you can return it and your money will be reimbursed. Thankfully.

>> EDIT 6: Mr. Coyle has some words to share about the Silver Screen replica too: "(Years later) I suggested that DM do an unlimited edition. I found an outfit in Pakistan to take over the problematic casting and finishing process. Pakistan is a mecca for metal work. This time, instead of sand casting we upgraded to die casting. A new, cleaner master was made and turned into a steel die. This has the advantage of eliminating flaws in the metal, and a cleaner part. No voids or debris in the grooves, no shallow castings, etc. For the paint finish we upgraded to powder coating. Paint finishes don’t stick well to aluminum, and it’s really hard to handle wet paint and keep them dust free".

Well, this explains a lot. For example, the different appearance of this replica is due to a brand-new mold. Good. That also explains why these chakrams are bigger than Creation's (unlike previous Todd's pieces), which was noted by some fans like Epiphane David from Paris. The "made in Pakistan" and change of procedure part also explains much. Die casting eliminates flaws in the creation process, but also leaves a certain "cold" and "mechanical" feel to the piece, hence why these chakrams seem made out of different materials. It's an understandable change, but it's sad that the final result doesn't reflect the efficiency improvement.

As for the flaws, there's much to be read here too. I understand the creation process is at least partially out of Mr. Coyle's hands now, which would explain the lesser care put on the pieces.

As a side note, Mr. Coyle also adds this: "The name 'Silver Screen Replicas' was used on prop replicas that are licensed. 'Todd’s Costumes' is an odd name to put on a prop replica. [...] Pricing is set by DM – it’s their product. I’m obligated to follow their wishes".

> Accuracy level: Now it's turn to evaluate the accuracy level of these replicas. As I did the two previous times, I'll extract my conclusions from direct comparisons with the five key points determined during and after the original props evaluation.

a.- The Early Pre-Licensed Replica

       1. Size: Incorrect. Replica is noticeably smaller than the original prop.

       ......................................................................................... Score: 0,5/1

       2. Material (shine & color): Correct polishing degree and golden hue.

       ............................................................................................ Score: 1/1

       3. Saw-like pattern: Incorrect. Contour lines (c) are too thick, and the

       overall design is very distorted - blade width (a) and pattern angles (b).

       ............................................................................................ Score: 0/1

       4. Squared pattern: Incorrect. Contour lines (c) are too thick, and the

       overall design is very distorted as well - f.e. notice the blade width too.

       ............................................................................................ Score: 0/1

       5. Blade edge: Correct. The replica has a thin blade edge.

       ............................................................................................ Score: 1/1

       ____________________________________________TOTAL: 2,5/5

This score is fairly obvious. Mistakes on this reproduction are too big to pass. However, I must insist once again that I'm trying to rate accuracy only. I'm not taking into account other things, like emotional factors. You can have this replica and love it for what it is (what it means in the chakram history, for example). There's much to be loved here -even if this is not an accurate chakram it's still a collector's piece.

b.- First Official Run

       1. Size: Incorrect. Replica is noticeably smaller than the original prop.

       ......................................................................................... Score: 0,5/1

       2. Material (shine & color): Correct polishing degree and golden hue.

       ............................................................................................ Score: 1/1

       3. Saw-like pattern: Incorrect. Bolts look bulky & angles are off (a).

       ......................................................................................... Score: 0,5/1

       4. Squared pattern: Incorrect. Overall look is ok, but the Xena logo 

       stamped on the blade distorts this side of the chakram.

       ......................................................................................... Score: 0,5/1

       5. Blade edge: Correct. The replica has a thin blade edge.

       ............................................................................................ Score: 1/1

       ____________________________________________TOTAL: 3,5/5

The First Gen Creation Ent replica also scored a 3,5/5, but I believe this chakram to be a bit inferior in accuracy terms. In this chakram version "mistakes" are something more visible and objectively wrong (the incorrect shape and angle alignment of the golden bolts or saw-teeth) and not something derived from different interpretations of the series.

Compared to the other versions from this same family, though, Todd's official run replica is very well positioned.

c.- 10th Anniversary Gold Edition

       1. Size: Incorrect. Replica is noticeably smaller than the original prop.

       ......................................................................................... Score: 0,5/1

       2. Material (shine & color): Incorrect. The gold plating (a) and the

       chromed finish distort the general look&feel of the piece.

       ......................................................................................... Score: 0,5/1

       3. Saw-like pattern: Incorrect. Contour lines (b) are too thick, and the

       bolts look too bulky. Negative bolts are too small. Angles are off (c).

       ............................................................................................ Score: 0/1

       4. Squared pattern: Incorrect. Contour lines (b) are too thick as well.

       ......................................................................................... Score: 0,5/1

       5. Blade edge: Correct. The replica has a thin blade edge.

       ............................................................................................ Score: 1/1

       ____________________________________________TOTAL: 2,5/5

Again, this depends. This piece was never meant to be accurate, just ornamental - or so I want to believe. The Gold 10th Anniversary chakram is cool in many aspects (and this is much coming from me), but accuracy is not its forte. It has the same issues the regular Todd's model presents, adding some new of its own.

In the picture, for example, it's very easy to spot the smaller size of the negative bolts or empty spaces mentioned above.

d.- Silver Screen Current Replica

       1. Size: Incorrect. Size is correct, but the replica is noticeably broader  

       and much thicker than the original prop.

       ......................................................................................... Score: 0,5/1

       2. Material (shine & color): Incorrect. It has an odd shiny finish (d).

       ......................................................................................... Score: 0,5/1

       3. Saw-like pattern: Incorrect. Bolts look bulky & angles are off (a) 

       and (b). Distance between bolt border and edge (c) is excessive.

       ............................................................................................ Score: 0/1

       4. Squared pattern: Incorrect. Distance between the bolt border and 

       the edge (c) is excessive here as well.

       ......................................................................................... Score: 0,5/1

       5. Blade edge: Incorrect. Replica has a round blade, and a blunt edge.

       ......................................................................................... Score: 0,5/1

       ______________________________________________TOTAL: 2/5

You know already I'm not keen of this replica. Even if the procedure to make it has been perfected, the piece itself could and should be MUCH better. The distance between the outer ring and the inner ring, for example, is much bigger than in previous replicas. As is the general thickness of the blade - that almost doubles other versions. The score speaks for itself.

The rating is finished. Now let's review the extra features or bonuses (if any) that came with these chakrams.

> Additional features & Certificates: This part is going to be a bit longer than usual, due to the chakram versions being so different. So instead of cataloguing the features by themselves as I did with the Icons or Creation brands (f.e. shadowbox, COA...), I'll elaborate on them version by version.

The only chakram seen here that didn't include any bonus is the Early Todd's replica. The rest included or still include the features that follow:

a.- Todd's First Official Run

> The box and the purple paper

Both sides of the chakram comfortably lying on the silk purple paper.
Photo by Jmarchant4.

The first and more prominent feature that surrounds Todd's official run is the box. Or more specifically, the purple paper.

Funny enough, the purple paper is a bonus that has become quite famous. People associate it with quality, and with official products. Truth be told, it's beautiful: the color, the silk texture, the fragility. Neat! And some people won't want their Todd's chakram without it!

>> EDIT 7: Whose idea was the popular purple paper? Why, it turns out it was Mr. Coyle's himself. He tells me this: "The purple paper was my idea. I thought it just fit the Xena theme since the logo was purple/pink". I didn't know that! And I bet not many people knew it either ;)

> The COA

Todd's chakrams COA is a small and simple cardboard card.
Photos by Beatlesrock and XWP-HTLJ-NZ.

We've talked several times about COAs. A paper certifying the authenticity of the product, which most useful characteristic is letting us know the number of our replica. In Todd's case, knowing the exact number is not that relevant as in other cases, because his line is the most coherently done of all the chakram replicas. His official chakrams don't vary, don't change the mold, and don't present further sub-versions. Good!

It's interesting to highlight there are some replicas that additionally to the COA present the limited edition number directly engraved in the blade. Not all of them have this feature, though, but it happens.

b.- 10th Anniversary Gold Edition

> The box and the purple paper

Marto's Gold Edition also included purple paper.
Photo by Beatlesrock.

You purple paper fans can breathe easy. They didn't forget the purple paper with this version. And it's not the only purple thing, you'll see. Wonder if someone at Davis-Panzer had a purple fetish back then ;)

Now that I think of it, their logo is purple too!

> The wall-mount and the plaque

Photos by Beatlesrock.

A great great plus of this version is the luscious wooden wall-mount. Very elegant, certainly. They did a good job designing this piece. It includes a good-looking brass plaque, that states: "Xena Warrior Princess - 10th Anniversary - Sword and Armor Collection".

> The COA and the purple envelope

The COA is purple, as well as the envelope in which it comes.
Photo by Beatlesrock.

Again, COA. Which does NOT include the limited edition number, for some reason. It is, however, more elaborated than the previous one, as this includes the signs of Peter S. Davis and Marcy Jo Anderson (CEO and President of Davis-Anderson Merchandising Corp., the former branch of Davis-Panzer Productions dedicated to merchandising). 

Finally, a look of the Gold Ed. chakram accompanied with all its bonuses.

Photo by Beatlesrock.

c.- Silver Screen Replica

> The box

The box is actually nice. Purple (what else?), with the typical Xena image, and a big image of the chakram. My only issue with it is that the image doesn't quite reflect the real product inside. So if you're basing your purchase on the box only, be prepared to be surprised.

>> EDIT 8: Mr. Coyle is also behind the design of this box. "I designed the box, which I’m fond of. [...] I like the boxes a lot better than the purple paper. Getting a custom box and packaging made was not in the cards until DM went for the standard edition. I’d love to do the same thing with the Xena sword, but there’s not much demand for it".

> The wall-mount

I find the Silver Screen wall-mount (or walnut display plaques, as they call it) little inspired. The color, the hooks, the Xena image... it's not terrible, but it is much less tasteful than the Marto's red wall-mount. Anyway, it serves its purpose, and it's better than nothing.

> The COA

I'm not sure if one is included. It must come with some kind of papers.

> Conclusion: There's no much left to say. Todd's chakram replicas are a whole "family", as you've been able to see for yourself. The best one is, without any doubt, the reproduction from the official run. And that's a good thing, because they are relatively easy to find. The rest... Some are better and some are worse. Pick at your own liking. 

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Note: All photomontages by me. Original pics by collectors Beatlesrock, Jmarchant4, Otsillac, XWP-HTLJ-NZ and me.